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PostSubject: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeTue Nov 10, 2009 11:45 pm

CRUSADERS:
Wyatt Crockett, Owen Franks, Ben Franks, Peter Borlase**, Corey Flynn, Ti’i Paulo***, Brad Thorn, Isaac Ross, Chris Jack***, Sam Whitelock**, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw, George Whitelock, Jonathan Poff, Thomas Waldrom, Andy Ellis, Kahn Fotuali’i, Daniel Carter***, Daniel Bowden (D)*, Ryan Crotty, Tim Bateman, Robert Fruean**, Adam Whitelock, Sean Maitland, Kade Poki, Zac Guildford*, Colin Slade, Jared Payne.


HURRICANES:
John Schwalger, Jacob Ellison, Neemia Tialata, Anthony Perenise*, Andrew Hore, Dane Coles, Jeremy Thrush, Bryn Evans, James Broadhurst (D)**, Jason Eaton, Michael Paterson*, Victor Vito, Karl Lowe, Scott Waldrom, Rodney So’oialo, Nick Crosswell**, Piri Weepu, Tyson Keats (D)**, Aaron Cruden**, Willie Ripia, Ma’a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Jason Kawau (D), Tamati Ellison, David Smith, Hosea Gear, Andre Taylor**, Cory Jane.


BLUES:
Tony Woodcock, John Afoa, Charlie Faumuina, Tevita Mailau, , Keven Mealamu, Tom McCartney, Anthony Boric, Ali Williams, Kurtis Haiu, Jerome Kaino, Peter Saili**, Serge Lilo (D)*, Tom Chamberlain**, Chris Lowrey, Viliame Maafu** +, Alby Mathewson*, Chris Smylie, Stephen Brett (D)*, Daniel Kirkpatrick (D)*, Luke McAlister***, Benson Stanley, Isaia Toeava, George Pisi***, Rudi Wulf, Anthony Tuitavake, Joe Rokocoko, Rene Ranger, Paul Williams.

CHIEFS:
Nathan White***, Ben Afeaki**, James McGougan, Sona Taumalolo, Aled de Malmanche, Hika Elliot, Kevin O’Neill, Craig Clarke, Callum Retallick**, Romana Graham**, Jarrad Hoeata (D)**, Liam Messam, Tanerau Latimer, Luke Braid**, Sione Lauaki, Colin Bourke, Brendon Leonard, Junior Poluleuligaga** +, Stephen Donald, Mike Delany, Callum Bruce, Jackson Willison, Richard Kahui, Lelia Masaga, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Dwayne Sweeney, Tim Nanai-Williams**, Mils Muliaina.

HIGHLANDERS:
Jamie Mackintosh, Clint Newland, Chris King, Bronson Murray (D)*, Jason Macdonald, Jason Rutledge, Josh Bekhuis, Tom Donnelly, Hayden Triggs, Joe Tuineau**, Adam Thomson, Alando Soakai, John Hardie**, Tim Boys, Nasi Manu*, Stephen Setephano, Jimmy Cowan, Sean Romans, Matt Berquist (D), Michael Hobbs*, Jayden Hayward, Jason Shoemark (D), Kendrick Lynn, James Paterson**, Fetu’u Vainikolo, Ben Smith, Robbie Robinson**, Israel Dagg

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeTue Nov 10, 2009 11:47 pm

No George Naopu, what a joke. He's had a very solid Air NZ Cup, can play in the locks or loose forwards. Thought the Highlanders would have signed him up for sure. Also Michael Johnson is another Magpie to miss out, he's a fukn workhorse!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeTue Nov 10, 2009 11:53 pm

Oh and Chris Jack back in the Crusaders Squad!!! But no Hayman Sad

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeTue Nov 10, 2009 11:58 pm

Oh and no room for Taniela Moa in that Blues squad now Alby is there. They've gone with Chris Smylie instead!

AH! Theres so many changes!

Kirkpatrick has gone to the Blues...Bowden to Crusaders, Brett to Blues.

Should definitely be more Magpies getting selected after the impressive season they've had.

Michael Witt obviously didn't do enough to get into that Highlanders squad.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:06 am

1. Jacob Ellison
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jeremy Thrush
5. Jason Eaton
6. Karl Lowe
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So’oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Aaron Cruden
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma’a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Cory Jane
15. Tamati Ellison

16. Dane Coles
17. Anthony Perenise
18. Bryn Evans
19. Victor Vito
20. Tyson Keats
21. Willie Ripia
22. David Smith/Jason Kawau

John Schwalger, James Broadhurst, Michael Paterson, Nick Crosswell, Andre Taylor

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:07 am

You beat me to it Hendo Smile

Just to discuss it from a Canes perspective:
- Drafting Tyson Keats is a massive slap in the face to the other halfbacks in the Canes catchment area
- Drafting 3 outside players kinda contradicts the massive talent pool that the Canes have and was a mistake IMO - though apparantly Jason Kawau's case is an exception as he specifically asked to go to the Canes (declining an invitation to the Highlanders) as his GF lives in Wellington.
- Dane Coles is VERY lucky to be picked ahead of Ged Robinson - let's hope he can sort his sh!t out this time...
- Daniel Ramsay has a right to feel very hard done by to miss selection anywhere after a very solid season with the Lions - let's hope he doesn't skip the country as a result...
- Daniel Kirkpatrick getting preferred to the Blues over Daniel Bowden is a VERY interesting decision by Pat Lam - although it's possible Blackadder just pinched Bowden first and Kirkpatrick was the second choice.
- Fa'atonu Fili missing out all over the show is another disappointment, but to be fair there are arguably better 10's across the board
- Jacob Ellison can consider himself VERY lucky to retain selection after a shocking season, he can by no means consider himself secure as the benchman - personally I'd prefer Perenise and Tialata to start with Schwalger on the bench - and I hate Schwalger...
- The massively underrated Serge Lilo once again submits to the draft, this time to the Blues
- Very glad Cooper didn't take Paul Perez as previously predicted by journos - he's a good player but is up for conviction of beating his partner and you sure as hell don't want that kinda bad press in your team. Andre Taylor is a great talent and will certainly be competing with David Smith.

Possible Canes 22 (combination of prediction and preference):

1. Perenise
2. Hore
3. Tialata
4. Evans
5. Eaton
6. Vito
7. Lowe
8. So'oialo
9. Weepu
10. Cruden
11. Gear
12. Nonu
13. Smith (c)
14. T. Ellison
15. Jane

16. Coles
17. Schwalger
18. Thrush
19. Waldrom
20. Keats
21. Ripia / Kawau
22. Kawau / Taylor
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:11 am

haha it's all very exciting, I do love Super squad announcement day, really just like seeing how many magpies made the cut, this year not enough!! Naopu would be gutted.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:14 am

Yeah Naoupu is hard done by - missed out due to Setephano getting prefernce and then Nasi Manu in the draft. He would'e done well at the Blues...
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:25 am

Highlanders

1. Jamie Mackintosh
2. Jason Rutledge
3. Clint Newland
4. Tom Donnelly
5. Josh Bekhuis
6. Adam Thomson
7. Alando Soakai
8. Nasi Manu
9. Jimmy Cowan
10. Matt Berquist
11. Ben Smith
12. ___________
13. Jason Shoemark
14. Fetu’u Vainikolo
15. Israel Dagg

16. Jason Macdonald
17. Chris King
18. Hayden Triggs
19. Stephen Setephano
20. Sean Romans
21. Robbie Robinson
22. James Paterson

That's a very nice tight five. Southland Stars Rutledge, Mackintosh and Bekhuis teaming up with Magpies beast Newland and All Black Tom Donnelly. Loose forwards are decent. Backs are a little bit weak but still have got some potential, wouldn't mind seeing Berquist shift out to 12 and Robinson getting a start at 10.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:53 am

BLUES

1. Tony Woodcock
2. Keven Mealamu
3. John Afoa
4. Anthony Boric
5. Ali Williams
6. Jerome Kaino
7. Tom Chamberlain/Serge Lilo
8. Chris Lowrey
9. Alby Mathewson
10. Stephen Brett
11. Joe Rokocoko
12. Luke McAlister
13. Anthony Tuitavake
14. Rene Ranger
15. Isaia Toeava

16. Tevita Mailau
17. Tom McCartney
18. Kurtis Haiu
19. Peter Saili
20. Chris Smylie
21. Benson Stanley/George Pisi
22. Rudi Wulf

Kaino has to have a good year, the only "recognised" flanker we have, Lowrey will have a good year i reckon. Tuitavake to get a go while Toeava gets put back to FB.
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:17 am

That Blues side is looking very good. Although I still don't think Stephen Brett is very good. The loose forwards are an issue but the tight 5 is probably best in the comp.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:23 am

this would be my highlanders backline hendo, and perhaps the most lethal in the competition.

9 jimmy cowan
10 matt berquist
11 ben smith
12 jayden hayward
13 jason shoemark
14 israel dagg
15 robbie robinson
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:27 am

also did i not see james king name? he was the form lock of the air nz cup. ridiculous
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:28 am

Yea I do like your backline I'm just not sold on Hayward. Think the Hurricanes backline is still stronger. Nonu and Smith would rip Shoey and Hayward apart

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:35 am

hayward will be an all black next year... mark my words hendo. i actually believe the highlanders can foot it with the crusaders for top NZ franchise. a very tough and no nonesense forward pack, with enough flair in the backline to do the business. plus they don't have the ego factor dragging them down that seems to dog the hurricanes and blues
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 2:52 am

Hayward couldn't make the starting lineup for the Highlanders this year except for injuries, and you reckon he'll be an AB by next year? Bollocks.

He's got promise, but is yet to show it at higher levels. However Nonu and Smith could possibly both leave soon after 2011 WC so that'll open the door for someone to partner Kahui in a new-look midfield (provided Kahui doesn't jump ship before then).
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 3:17 am

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BLUES

1. Tony Woodcock
2. Keven Mealamu
3. John Afoa
4. Anthony Boric
5. Ali Williams
6. Jerome Kaino
7. Tom Chamberlain/Serge Lilo
8. Chris Lowrey
9. Alby Mathewson
10. Stephen Brett
11. Joe Rokocoko
12. Luke McAlister
13. Anthony Tuitavake
14. Rene Ranger
15. Isaia Toeava

16. Tevita Mailau
17. Tom McCartney
18. Kurtis Haiu
19. Peter Saili
20. Chris Smylie
21. Benson Stanley/George Pisi
22. Rudi Wulf

Kaino has to have a good year, the only "recognised" flanker we have, Lowrey will have a good year i reckon. Tuitavake to get a go while Toeava gets put back to FB.


Blues starting XV looks good. If they get some luck on the injury front and Brett delivers on the hype, we may have a decent season.

Our weakness, as it was this year, is in the lack of depth, especially amongst the forwards. If Woody, Williams, Kaino and Mealamu stay injury free and play the whole series, that'll go a long way to achieving some consistency.

And I'd like to see Toeava get an extended run at 13 next year. I still think he's the sweetest passer in the country and a midfield of him and McAlister, while potentially erratic, will provide plenty of x factor.

If that means playing someone a little more conservative at FB, like Paul Williams, that may be a good thing. Especially against the SA teams.
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 3:20 am

I thought Tuitavake jumped ship to go overseas? Or does that start after the S14?
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 3:21 am

paul williams is mud, i dont like him

if toeava was to play 13 then id move wulf to 15, tuitavake to 14 and ranger to the bench
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 3:21 am

Welly look very good.
probably the best backline of the NZ teams.
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 3:45 am

I'll be interested to see what the Chiefs loose forwards trio will be, will they go with

1. 6. Messam 7. Latimer 8. Lauaki
2. 6. Messam 7. Latimer 8. Bourke

or will Messam play at 8 with Lauaki at 6....

I think option 2 would be the best with Lauaki coming off the bench, Bourke was very impressive in the Air NZ Cup this season.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 4:10 am

My god there are some retards on the Stuff comments pages - seriously, read those things at your own peril Smile

A lot of people making loud claims of inompetence when they don't know the full story...

- Why did the Highlanders not take Jason Kawau? He asked to be drafted to the Canes again to be near his GF
- Why did the Canes not take Guildford/Dagg/Waldrom/etc? They aren't actually signed with the Magpies, but only 'loaned' to them. In Guildford's case he packed a sad at playing behind Gear and Smith (and to be fair at the time they were playing better than him) and ran off to Crusaders - now that he's an AB (and based on last weekend, bound to be a damn good one) the Canes can't touch him.
- Why wasn't Moa selected? He's sh!t Smile
- Jacob Ellison? Well he's been thrown a lifeline no doubt - before this year's NPC I saw a LOT of potential in this guy, I saw him do something that only I've only seen 1 other person do (admittedly in my somewhat limited rugby watching - a scrum collapsed and he single-handedly brought it back up and level and kept pushing; other person I saw do it was Tony Woodcock. But yeah this year he collapsed majorly, but I wonder whether captaincy did some of that, the weight of expectation and responsibility can do that to people sometimes. Nevertheless, he's got a lot to prove next season.
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 4:49 am

way off panterus.
moa was pretty much aucklands only game breaker this season in air nz cup. the most physical and damaging halfback in the country with ball in hand and defiantely someone you want coming off the bench for the impact in the last 20. smilie has not done anything since he had that good season for otago years ago.
and as for jacob ellison, he is a muppet.
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Moa is shit.

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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 9:01 am

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this would be my highlanders backline hendo, and perhaps the most lethal in the competition.

9 jimmy cowan
10 matt berquist
11 ben smith
12 jayden hayward
13 jason shoemark
14 israel dagg
15 robbie robinson

If you watched the super 14 last year you would know this is it

9 Leonard
10 Delany
11Sivivatu
12 who cares
13Kahui
14Masaga
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