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Hendo Maroon wrote:
I'll be interested to see what the Chiefs loose forwards trio will be, will they go with

1. 6. Messam 7. Latimer 8. Lauaki
2. 6. Messam 7. Latimer 8. Bourke

or will Messam play at 8 with Lauaki at 6....

I think option 2 would be the best with Lauaki coming off the bench, Bourke was very impressive in the Air NZ Cup this season.

option number 1

Lauaki isnt that good of an impact player he needs solid rugby and lots of it to be effective. The all blacks have already made that mistake of selecting him for 15 mins every 3 tests and we all saw the results. Would much rather Bourke of the bench but who knows
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 12:08 pm

Lauaki is a muppet who is going off-shore after he will again fail to make the ABs

As for Moa - IMO he's sh!t, he's fatter than Weepu after a hangi and slower than Lomu with the ball kicked behind him. Besides - Mathewson and Smylie are both way better than him IMO.

There was talk on the news tonight about Donald/Delany making a new 10/12 combo (in some order), pushing out Bruce which would be harsh on the guy - making an all AB backline.
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Hey Hendo Keats was a good pick up but will he be playing down here in Canterbury for ANZC?

Canterbury


1. Wyatt Crocket
2. Corey Flynn
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Isaac Ross
6. Keiran Read
7. Ritchie McCaw
8. Thomas Waldrom
9. Andy Ellis
10. Daniel Carter
11. Zac Gildord
12. Tim Bateman
13. Kade Poki
14. Jarrayd Payne
15. Colin Slade

16. Ti'i Paulo
17. Ben Franks
18. Chris Jack
19. George Whitelock
20. Kahn Fotuali'i
21. Daniel Bowden
22. Sean Maitland

23. Peter Borlase
24. Sam Whitelock
25. Johnathon Poff
26. Ryan Crotty
27. Robert Fruean
28. Adam Whitelock
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That is a very good forward pack. I'd start Maitland over Payne on the wing.

Not sure about Keats but most likely he'll be back for Canterbury

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Typhoon Thomas wrote:
Hey Hendo Keats was a good pick up but will he be playing down here in Canterbury for ANZC?

Canterbury


1. Wyatt Crocket
2. Corey Flynn
3. Owen Franks
4. Brad Thorn
5. Isaac Ross
6. Keiran Read
7. Richie McCaw (dunno why you two persist in putting a 't' in his name...)
8. Thomas Waldrom
9. Andy Ellis
10. Daniel Carter
11. Zac Gildord
12. Ryan Crotty
13. Tim Bateman
14. Sean Maitland
15. Colin Slade

16. Ti'i Paulo
17. Ben Franks
18. Chris Jack
19. George Whitelock
20. Kahn Fotuali'i
21. Robert Freuan
22. Jarrod Payne

Keats was only drafted - not one of those BS loan transfers - so yeah, he'll still in be Canterbury.

Agree with Hendo that Maitland gets the start over Payne - I don't think Bowden will be on the bench - they'll have Slade cover 10 while Payne covers Fullback (unless Payne starts at fullback right off the cuff which is a very real possibility - Slade's still a rookie remember). I doubt they'll start Poki at centre - with all the pushing of Frean being signed to 'replace' Laulala, I think the midfield will be a combo of Crotty, Bateman and Fruean, with one of them on the bench.
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Blues

Key Signing: Has to be Stephen Brett. Much as he is discredited by many kiwis for his defensive deficiencies and innacuracies, the Blues are lauding him is their 'savior' of sorts in what has become a very problematic position.
Player To Watch: Chris Lowrey - came on in leaps and bounds in this year's Super competition and has a lot to prove this time around. Needs to make big steps up to lock in the position recently controlled by Nick Williams and Justin Collins.
Most Fortuante: Kurtis Haiu - there was some great form in the Blues catchment area's locks, not the last of whom being North Harbour's James King - yet another reasons for NH people to complain about Auckland favourtism. As skilled as Haiu is, there were arguably better options.
Most Unfortunate: Taniela Moa without a doubt - a nuggety player who suffered from a lot of consistency problems, he has gone from being injury cover for the All Blacks (and being named this season's NPC form Halfback by RugbyNews.co.nz) to not being selected by a single franchise anywhere...there was talk of him playing for his Native Tonga (hence passing on selection to the Junior ABs) which may be part of the reason, but with Alby Mathewson and Chris Smylie (IMO both better players) there was just no room for him.
Opportunist: Alby Mathewson - tired of being stuck behind Piri Weepu at the Hurricanes (despite him often starting nonetheless and being part of the reason Piri was forced out into 10) he pulled that bloody 'transfer-but not really' deal to play for the Blues.

Chiefs

Key Signing: Ben Afeaki - a massive boy who played for the U20s and wants to prove his worth on the bigger stage. Given the recent depatures of some big props from the chiefs he will provide some quality depth along with White, Taumalolo and McGougan which will promote competition - and that only means good things.
Player To Watch: Mike Delany - gone from Journyman, to NPC star, to AB tourist, to starter in the span of less than a year. Delany will be busting his gut to oust Stephen Donald in both the Chiefs and ABs environments - would you bet against him?
Most Fortuante: Sione Lauaki - I know, All Black, human wrecking ball...but the man has come right out and said that this would be his last season, and is already under a heap of pressure from BoP's Colin Bourke to oust him from the No.8 Jersey and one must wonder why you would bother...
Most Unfortunate: Tim Mikkelson can feel aggrieved at missing out to Tim Nanai-Williams. No disrespect to the guy, but Tim has done nothing wrong and been shunted out nonetheless.
Opportunist: Hika Elliot - followed HB teammate Sona Taumalolo in a 'transfer-but not really' deal to Waikato to keep his position in the Chiefs, despite him getting just as little game time for this this year as he did with the Hurricanes last year (which was the whole reason he wanted to move in the first place...).

Hurricanes

Key Signing: Aaron Cruden - the whole country has been talking about the guy; some rather less thoughtful people saying to throw him into the All Blacks already! The Canes had to grab him now (after they were saved losing him thanks to his loyalty to Manawatu. Only time will tell now whether he can handle the step up to Super 14.
Player To Watch: Victor Vito - started to show glimpses of real class this year and really came out with it in the NPC. This is his chance to prove his worth after so much pre-hype from the sevens that he has thus far failed to live up to.
Most Fortuante: Jacob Ellison - in the shield challenge against Canterbury he was humiliated in the scrum to the point where one got the feeling that even him being the captain couldn't keep him on the field much longer. He has somehow retained selection ahead of the Taranaki Props - Tony Penn especially is a solid bookend - and one can only imagine how thankful he is that the Hawke's Bay duo of Taumalolo and Newland are both unavailable to the Canes else he'd be out on his ear. Has a LOT to prove.
Most Unfortunate: Daniel Ramsay performed more than admirably for the Lions, especially spending most of the send half of the season as the only specialist lock in the team, yet still didn't get a look in. Instead had the indignation of the Canes drafting in Cantabrian James Broadhurst instead.
Opportunist: Michael Paterson pulled a 'transfer-but not really' deal to be available for the Canes since he knew he'd never get a look-in at lock behind Ross, Thorn and Jack. Yet he is unique in that, as far as anyone's concerned, he's not actually contracted to ANYONE for next year's NPC...


Crusaders

Key Signing: Daniel Carter - remember there was actually a brief battle of sorts to keep him in the region once Auckland started waving the cheque-book around. Carter stuck to his roots, however, and is back for the Red Machine.
Player To Watch: Thomas Waldrom - The recent upheavel at No.8 in the All Blacks, with both Kieran Read and Rodney So'oialo (both of whom he has played alongside) vying for the role - it would seem this is the best possible chance for someone like Waldrom to scoot through and jump the queue. He's got the skills, needs to up his workrate and accuracy, not to mention just bloody being given a chance...
Most Fortuante: Jonathan Poff - you could argue that he's the unluckiest since, being well behind McCaw and George Whitelock in the openside stocks means he'll see little-to-no game time in the season unless injury strike, or maybe a brief cameo off the bench against the Cheetahs or something...one must wonder why he was selected instead of another 6 or 8. A good player no doubt, but in present company, just seems like that extra cheeseburger you buy "just in case" and never eat...
Most Unfortunate: Unknown - The thing with only have two NPC teams in your catchment, not to mention anyone who reckons they'll miss out transfering away, is that nobody really 'misses out' as such...probably a couple of Mako's could feel like they've been jibbed...
Opportunist: Zac Guildford - decided he'd get more game time with the Crusaders; ironically, after this season and his ABs call up, he'd just about have to be the #1 wing by a stretch. Big loss to the Canes and big Gain for the Crusaders.


Highlanders

Key Signing: Israel Dagg - he was offered the opportunity to join his mate Zac at the Crusaders but turned it down in favour of repaying the faith the Highlanders have shown in him. Would have been a big loss, even though both Robinson and Smith could play Fullback easily enough.
Player To Watch: Robbie Robinson - along with Cruden, he is a player with a lot of expectation on his shoulders. He already showed some weakness to pressure in the NPC. Can he alleviate those and push on? Time will tell...
Most Fortuante: Fetu'u Vainikolo could hardly make the Otago 22, and yet he still gains a Super contract ahead of the likes of Pehi Te Whare and Karne Hesketh. Has a lot to prove...
Most Unfortunate: Scott Cowan played some fantastic rugby at the base of a strong Southland scrum and fully deserved to back up his big brother in the Highlanders, but missed the cut to Sean Romans instead in a move which smacks of Otago favourtism.
Opportunist: James Paterson transferred to Southland rather than sit in line with the other Crusader outside backs. Unsure if it was a 'but not really' transfer or not...
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Awesome write-up P'Rus. And I agree on most of what you've said.

I disagree on the Canes player to watch though, I wouldn't have Vito in the starting side and would be more inclined to give Karl Lowe the 6 jersey and Scott Waldrom the 7. Vito could make a massive impact on a game off the bench, he's quick and his sevens skills would shine through against a tiring opposition pack....

I am actually really looking forward to next years super 14, i really believe the Canes have what it takes to win the comp. Especially if Cruden steps up!


Oh and I enjoyed the extra cheese burger line, but dammit I always eat the extra cheeseburger....

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I think Vito would be wasted on the bench TBH. I can see 4 feasible 6/7/8/bench sets

1. Lowe/Waldrom/So'oialo/Vito
2. Lowe/Waldrom/Vito/So'oialo
3. Vito/Lowe/So'oialo/Waldrom
4. Vito/Waldrom/So'oialo/Lowe

Personally I prefer 3 - much as I like Scooter, I think he's too near the end of his tenure and overtaken by Lowe as a 7, or at least all but. I think Vito would be wasted on the bench and Lowe wouldn't be as much an impact at 6. The likes of chris may well favour 2 owing to their disdain of So'oialo - as it is I wonder whether handing the Captaincy to Hore, Weepu, or Conrad Smith would be better for Rodney's AB chances so he can concentrate on his own work...
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Been pointed out elsewhere that Ged Robinson should be the most unfortunate for the Canes and I agree - forgot about him! Embarassed
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There is no way I would vote for 2. So'oialo may not be so great at the moment but he is miles ahead of Vito, probably one of the most overrated players in NZ rugby. Mine would probably go Croswell, Lowe, So'oialo, Waldrom but they are unlikely to give Croswell a go even though he was the best 6 in the Air NZ Cup.
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 14, 2009 5:55 am

Also for Canterbury most unlucky I would say Andrew Goodman would fill that spot. He is a class player, much better than Daniel Bowden who hardly fits the Canterbury style of playing relatively error free rugby
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PostSubject: Re: NZ Super 14 Squads 2010   NZ Super 14 Squads 2010 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeSat Nov 14, 2009 6:14 am

Yeah I considered Goodman, but he's never really been in the mix before and the likes of Bateman and Crotty are definitely ahead of him. Very good player though but seems to only be a provincial journeyman unfortunately.
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who can beat the crusaders next year they look slick and quick. go canterbury
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CM_STEELERS wrote:
BLUES

1. Tony Woodcock
2. Keven Mealamu
3. John Afoa
4. Anthony Boric
5. Ali Williams
6. Jerome Kaino
7. Tom Chamberlain/Serge Lilo
8. Chris Lowrey
9. Alby Mathewson
10. Stephen Brett
11. Joe Rokocoko
12. Luke McAlister
13. Anthony Tuitavake
14. Rene Ranger
15. Isaia Toeava

16. Tevita Mailau
17. Tom McCartney
18. Kurtis Haiu
19. Peter Saili
20. Chris Smylie
21. Benson Stanley/George Pisi
22. Rudi Wulf

Kaino has to have a good year, the only "recognised" flanker we have, Lowrey will have a good year i reckon. Tuitavake to get a go while Toeava gets put back to FB.
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previously we were discussing Chiefs loose forwards and it seemed we had agreed with 6. Messam, 7. Latimer, 8. Bourke, now with Lauaki being captain it obviously changes things.

Is Bourke suitable for the bench, is he versatile enough? or will they go for Luke Braid?

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