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PostSubject: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 1:41 am

Please Just metion your Top 4 Super 14 Prediction top 4

This is mine

1 Hurricanes
2 Blues
3 Crusaders
4 Sharkes
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 5:08 am

1 Crusaders
2 Hurricanes
3 Sharks
4 Warratahs

I think that the sharks will finish ahead of the Hurricanes in the round-robin but believe that they will lose in the semis.

Kiwis2008, you are dreaming the Blues wont come even near.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:22 am

Hurricanes
Waratahs
Highlanders
Sharks
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:25 am

Samtheman15

That is so biased mate its not funny. Crusaders will be first and u dont even have them in there
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:25 am

Waratahs
Sharks
Highlanders
Hurricanes
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:36 am

SportsLegend wrote:
Samtheman15

That is so biased mate its not funny. Crusaders will be first and u dont even have them in there

I just thnk they are gona hav a bad year without carter and sommervile and co. I woudnt be to suprised if they win i guess i just dont thnk they will.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:37 am

They have a strong line-up, especially when isaac ross comes into the side, he started for the highlanders last year and probalely not this year for the crusaders that is how strong opur side is.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:38 am

Yea i rate isaac ross hes a possible all black in the not so far future.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:42 am

Yeah i agree with u there mate, who else do u think will be a possible future all black?
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:49 am

Heaps of people have been talkin up vito to be but i dont think he will for while if at all

i think dagg will if a couple of fullbacks get injured

i hope lelia masaga gets in sometime he is such a good try scorer and not a bad defender

possibly tim bateman as a back up second 5

definately ripia as back up first five he is so much beter than donald he showed that in the air new zealand cup

and i dont think kade poki would be far off at center if we didnt hav smith and kahui

and maybe jayden hayward in a couple of years
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:51 am

1. Crusaders
2. Blues
3. Sharks
4. Reds (I can only hope)
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:53 am

Cameron wrote:
1. Crusaders
2. Blues
3. Sharks
4. Reds (I can only hope)

I agree totaly, dont think the blues will be there but reds have a very small chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 7:53 am

SportsLegend wrote:
Cameron wrote:
1. Crusaders
2. Blues
3. Sharks
4. Reds (I can only hope)

I agree totaly, dont think the blues will be there but reds have a very small chance.

i think this will be the reds best year this year !
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 8:02 am

Hurricanes
Crusaders
Warratahs
Bulls


SportsLegend you are coming across as a very arrogant Crusader supporter, sure they are a great side and have been the dominant team in recent years but the loss of Carter is certain to have an impact, I think its the year of the Hurricane.

As for proof here are the 15s for both teams, well what I think will be the starting 15s, the better player is bolded.


CRUSADERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane

Imo as you can see above The Hurricanes are better in 10 out of the 15 positions and also have a mcuh stronger bench.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 8:06 am

I agree with that except atm i thnk franks is better than swalger and IMO jane is better than mcdonald at the moment too
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 9:06 am

Well I didnt compare Franks to Schwalger. One is a loose head one is a tight head, I compared Schwalger to Crockett and Schwalger is better, and I compared Tialata to Franks, and its clear that Tialata is a better Tight Head than Franks.

As for Corey Jane, I dont think he will be as good as McDonald once he gets over his injury worries, I kind of gave Leon the benefit of the doubt as we havnt seen him play for a while I judged it on previous years.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 9:23 am

1 Hurricanes
2 Waratahs
3 Crusaders
4 Sharkes
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 9:42 am

Hendo Maroon wrote:
Well I didnt compare Franks to Schwalger. One is a loose head one is a tight head, I compared Schwalger to Crockett and Schwalger is better, and I compared Tialata to Franks, and its clear that Tialata is a better Tight Head than Franks.

As for Corey Jane, I dont think he will be as good as McDonald once he gets over his injury worries, I kind of gave Leon the benefit of the doubt as we havnt seen him play for a while I judged it on previous years.

My bad i just realised that lol

and ohk thats fair enough i guess
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeSun Dec 21, 2008 11:48 pm

Sorry Hendo - but I rate Crockett much higher than Schwalger. And Filipo higher than Eaton. Otherwise I pretty much agree with your comparisons - though switch Gear and Smith around on their sides Smile

Canes and Crusaders definitely look to be the teams to beat this year, with the Warratahs and Sharks making up the rest of the top 4:

Hurricanes
Crusaders
Warratahs
Sharks

Heaps of teams certainly have a chance though...
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 1:00 am

gotta agree with u panterus, filipo is miles ahead of eaton. though i'm indifferent to franks vs schwalger.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 2:59 am

Hendo Maroon wrote:
Hurricanes
Crusaders
Warratahs
Bulls


SportsLegend you are coming across as a very arrogant Crusader supporter, sure they are a great side and have been the dominant team in recent years but the loss of Carter is certain to have an impact, I think its the year of the Hurricane.

As for proof here are the 15s for both teams, well what I think will be the starting 15s, the better player is bolded.


CRUSADERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane

Imo as you can see above The Hurricanes are better in 10 out of the 15 positions and also have a mcuh stronger bench.

First of all you forgot ben franks and corey flynn which are both all blacks. Andy Ellis an all black and people say that Sean Maitland and Tim Bateman will be the next all blacks mate. David smith what has he done, he hasnt maintained a starting spot.
Best players from the teams

CRUSADERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane


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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 3:00 am

Anyway, it will be funny to see what you hurricance supporters say after they get knocked out in the semis. As i believe this will happen as they will need to take on a south african team in sa
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 3:02 am

Hendo Maroon wrote:
Well I didnt compare Franks to Schwalger. One is a loose head one is a tight head, I compared Schwalger to Crockett and Schwalger is better, and I compared Tialata to Franks, and its clear that Tialata is a better Tight Head than Franks.

As for Corey Jane, I dont think he will be as good as McDonald once he gets over his injury worries, I kind of gave Leon the benefit of the doubt as we havnt seen him play for a while I judged it on previous years.

You cant compare positions, mccaw is equal to weepu and hore. And franks is a 10 times better player than tialata.

PLAYERS VS PLAYERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 3:27 am

See? He still rates Ellis higher than Weepu; never mind that Ellis was very much the distant 3rd halfback on the northern tour, and a contestable one at that.

Leon McDonald is one more headknock away from a wheelchair retirement, if not an early grave - and with a wife and family to think about. He's such a selfish prick for still playing. He should step aside and give Jared Payne the reins.

Crocket is better than Schwalger, but Tialata is way better than Franks - in the Wellington / Tasman match this year it was a great matchup, but Tialata came out stronger.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 3:35 am

Pantherus wrote:
See? He still rates Ellis higher than Weepu; never mind that Ellis was very much the distant 3rd halfback on the northern tour, and a contestable one at that.

Leon McDonald is one more headknock away from a wheelchair retirement, if not an early grave - and with a wife and family to think about. He's such a selfish prick for still playing. He should step aside and give Jared Payne the reins.

Crocket is better than Schwalger, but Tialata is way better than Franks - in the Wellington / Tasman match this year it was a great matchup, but Tialata came out stronger.

Okay Pantherus clean slate between us....

To tell you the truth ellis was actually injured on that tour. Yeah agree Mcdonald is a 50/50 chance that he will come back because of to many head concussions. Crocket is better than schwalger but not much difference between franks and tialata.

Jared Payne is a great ball running fullback imo
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