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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 3:46 am

Ellis was injured, but was never really a chance anyway.

Schwalger really is a weak link in the Canes pack, he's a really weak scrummager and tries too much around the field. They'd do better to put Tialata back on the Loosehead where he's more comfortable and bring Jacob Ellison in - one of only 2 props I personally have seen push a scrum back up after it had collapsed (the other being Woodcock).
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 6:03 am

I'd rate Poki above Smith - but more because Smith is (as yet) unproven; while Poki shone for an overall mediocre Tasman side.

I actually don't think Smith will start for the Canes, I think that Gear will hold the 14 jersey basically all year, and Smith will be chasing Guildford for the 11 jersey.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 6:07 am

I rate Guilford over D. Smith but just cant see him getting the starting spot.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 6:07 am

Seeing as there are many Kiwi rugby fans on TFW, I would like to hear your thoughts on the Australian teams. Who do you guys think will be the best Aust. team? I'm expecting big improvements from the Reds this season Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 7:35 am

I think that james o'conner will definately cement his place in second five in next few years, hes a gun of a player. And also lachy turner too
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Hendo Maroon wrote:
I rate Guilford over D. Smith but just cant see him getting the starting spot.

Smith will prob get the starting spot cause he has that excitement factor.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 10:59 am

Panthers wrote:
Seeing as there are many Kiwi rugby fans on TFW, I would like to hear your thoughts on the Australian teams. Who do you guys think will be the best Aust. team? I'm expecting big improvements from the Reds this season Smile

They never seem to be up there most years, waratahs in the most recent years and the brumbies before that. I think that the Waratahs will be up there again but just cant see any other teams, although a dark horse in making in it the top 4 is possibly believe it or not the Qld reds. Berrick Barnes and ___________ (Young nz born number 10) have a great combination and they should fire this season.
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 11:04 am

Quade Cooper?
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 11:05 am

Yep thats him, u guys know he is born in nz?
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Yea !Hes one of my fav australian players haah
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 11:18 am

Quade Cooper is from Tokoroa, I dont rate him that highly, has nothing on Giteau and DC.

Check out this Quade Cooper vid, it is hilarious!

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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 11:23 am

Hendo Maroon wrote:
Quade Cooper is from Tokoroa, I dont rate him that highly, has nothing on Giteau and DC.

Check out this Quade Cooper vid, it is hilarious!


That was a good watch Hendo lol. To be honest i could see him being a good league player if anything lol.
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1. Reds
2. Hurricanes
3. Crusaders
4. Warratahs
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 11:26 am

Check this vid of him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_fkJnDDaAo

What a step
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Hendo Maroon wrote:
Quade Cooper is from Tokoroa, I dont rate him that highly, has nothing on Giteau and DC.

Check out this Quade Cooper vid, it is hilarious!


My word thats one of the funniest things I've seen all year.... someone went to a lot of effort to put that together
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Haha I reckon, highlights for me are when he tried to take on Lauaki and the commentary.

"See Cooper in the background, was giving it a high 5 air punch, bit early son"
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The aussies rave on and on about this guy...I don't see the hype...
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PostSubject: Re: Super 14 Top 4 2009   Super 14 Top 4 2009 - Page 2 Icon_minitimeMon Dec 22, 2008 9:38 pm

SportsLegend wrote:
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That is so biased mate its not funny. Crusaders will be first and u dont even have them in there

i am so freakin sick of you telling people that they are wrong, when they dont say anything good about the crusaders

we have the right to free opinion, ok

dont force yours on others

there is all good for friendly banter etc

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your kidding right, id of thought the crusaders would have been in your top four

but accusing someone of being biased, etc. i dont think is on

when in fact you are the biased one yourself

k




mine would be

Hurricanes
Crusaders
Waratahs
Sharks


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SportsLegend wrote:
Hendo Maroon wrote:
Hurricanes
Crusaders
Warratahs
Bulls


SportsLegend you are coming across as a very arrogant Crusader supporter, sure they are a great side and have been the dominant team in recent years but the loss of Carter is certain to have an impact, I think its the year of the Hurricane.

As for proof here are the 15s for both teams, well what I think will be the starting 15s, the better player is bolded.


CRUSADERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane

Imo as you can see above The Hurricanes are better in 10 out of the 15 positions and also have a mcuh stronger bench.

First of all you forgot ben franks and corey flynn which are both all blacks. Andy Ellis an all black and people say that Sean Maitland and Tim Bateman will be the next all blacks mate. David smith what has he done, he hasnt maintained a starting spot.
Best players from the teams

CRUSADERS

1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Corey Flynn
3. Ben Franks
4. Ross Filipo
5. Brad Thorn
6. Kieran Read
7. Richie McCaw
8. Nasi Manu
9. Andrew Ellis
10. Stephen Brett
11. Sean Maitland
12. Tim Bateman
13. Casey Laulala
14. Kade Poki
15. Leon MacDonald

HURRICANES

1. John Schwalger
2. Andrew Hore
3. Neemia Tialata
4. Jason Eaton
5. Jeremy Thrush
6. Victor Vito
7. Scott Waldrom
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Willie Ripia
11. Hosea Gear
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. David Smith
15. Corey Jane

crusaders players are arrogant, they think they are the greatest. period.

hurricanes team is very consistent

id prefer 15 good players that 7 ok players and 8 great players any day

and your ratings are wrong

hendo pretty much got it right

macdonald beats jane, jane is still good

weepu beats ellis, ellis is still good

mccaw owns waldrom, but waldrom would be a star for any other national team

and comparing maitland and bateman to nonu and gear is insane sl
wtf

kk

canes are way more consistent, thats what matters mate
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I think jane will be better than macdonald this Year!
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i agree
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Agree. I actually don't think MacDonald will last the season - I think come the knockouts, Jared Payne will be set at Fullback and MacDonald will be watching from the sidelines - he never should've continued playing into next year.

Backup to mils will be between Jane and Williams - with Jane likely to hold the advantage of regular game time, while Williams may have to be competing with the likes of Toeava for the Blues FB spot.
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Janes so much faster than macdonal, hes got great defence, a mean boot and he pretty much always beats the first tackle

yea payne looks the goods hes fast too ae!
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Stoke wrote:
SportsLegend wrote:
Samtheman15

That is so biased mate its not funny. Crusaders will be first and u dont even have them in there

i am so freakin sick of you telling people that they are wrong, when they dont say anything good about the crusaders

we have the right to free opinion, ok

dont force yours on others

there is all good for friendly banter etc

Quote :
your kidding right, id of thought the crusaders would have been in your top four

but accusing someone of being biased, etc. i dont think is on

when in fact you are the biased one yourself

k




mine would be

Hurricanes
Crusaders
Waratahs
Sharks

History proves i am right. And ifact half nz think crusaders will will (TAB).
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samthaman15 wrote:
Janes so much faster than macdonal, hes got great defence, a mean boot and he pretty much always beats the first tackle

yea payne looks the goods hes fast too ae!

Yeah i agree probalely mcdonalds last season. And Payne looks the good, the commentators said that Payne was the only fullback that ran straight into the line of defence.
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