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PostSubject: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeSun Mar 06, 2011 10:32 am

Wallabies:

Dan Palmer - has been solid at scrum time, really does look the goods thus far.

Rob Simmons - been one of the Reds best in 2011 so far, probably not really a bolter considering he got some game time last year... should make the squad.

Pat McCabe - has been super impressive for the Brumbies, really looks a good chance to make the squad.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeSun Mar 06, 2011 10:39 am

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeSun Mar 06, 2011 2:15 pm

Jamie McKintosh - Solid player, in and out of the AB's but a good S15 could see him push for a spot up front.

Adam Thompson - Injuries last year pushed him back in the pecking order, him being able to play 6/7/8 should really push his claims for a jersey.

Robbie Fruean - Played good last year outside SBW, his partnership with Carter/SBW/Dagg could develop and he could get a spot. Weather Henry will take 4 specialist centres is another question tho.

Tana Umaga & Tony Brown - Both professionals and experienced. We have mass amounts of centres so i dont think Umaga would come out of retirement. But Brown could possibly be a bolter if he decides to put his foot forward and keeps up with his form.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Mar 08, 2011 10:56 am

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Jamie McKintosh - Solid player, in and out of the AB's but a good S15 could see him push for a spot up front.

Adam Thompson - Injuries last year pushed him back in the pecking order, him being able to play 6/7/8 should really push his claims for a jersey.

Robbie Fruean - Played good last year outside SBW, his partnership with Carter/SBW/Dagg could develop and he could get a spot. Weather Henry will take 4 specialist centres is another question tho.

Tana Umaga & Tony Brown - Both professionals and experienced. We have mass amounts of centres so i dont think Umaga would come out of retirement. But Brown could possibly be a bolter if he decides to put his foot forward and keeps up with his form.


Thompson is definitely looking good. He was sent away to the 7s last year to work on his running game and link play and he's made massive strides there. Arguably the quickest loosie in the country.

Agree Mackintosh could get also get a look in, but as a specialist loosehead, he'll have a tough time getting in ahead of Woodcock. They'll take 4 props to the WC but at least 2 of them need to be switch hitters. Which means guys like Ben Franks, Tialata and Afoa will be odds on to back up Owen Franks and Woody as the starters.

Huge fan of Robbie Fruean but yea I agree that being a specialist midfielder may work against him considering the players he's competing with in that area.

I'm liking Matt Todd at the Saders. He's been very good early on and we're obviously still not settled on McCaw's deputy. If the youngster keeps it up, he may yet be a bolter.


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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeWed Mar 09, 2011 9:30 am

Thomson is definitely looking the goods so agree there.

As 40/20 said, Mackintosh's specialisation could work against him with Woodcock easily the incumbent - although he's definitely an option, maybe even to put pressure on ol' Woody which seems to bring out the best in him. Dunno why you even bothered noting Tialata in that list 40/20 - much as I'm a Canes fan I have to accept his time is up (he might make huge strides this season and reclaim his spot but I don't see it happening).

Fruean has potential, sure - Nonu, Smith and SBW will almost certainly be there (barring injury or HUGE drops in form I guess...) and the likes of Toeava and Kahui are in the wings as well, both of whom have more experience and utility potential than Fruean. Still an outside chance though.

Todd...maybe, honestly don't see it happening - after the WC though, definitely.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2011 7:00 am

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2011 7:02 am

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2011 7:06 am

I reckon in a few years time we'll see a backline like this...

9. Alby Mathewson
10. Aaron Cruden/Colin Slade
11. Tim Nanai-Williams
12. Robbie Fruean
13. Sonny-Bill Williams
14. Zac Guildford
15. Israel Dagg

20. _____
21. Colin Slade/Aaron Cruden
22. Sean Maitland

However those that haven't made the All Blacks already, Fruean, Nanai Williams and Maitland, I can't see making the World Cup side. I think this close to the World Cup we really need to stick with the experienced players.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2011 7:21 am

O'Connor has been playing outstanding at 10 so it has certainly got to be a possibility. Coops has been poor this year it has to be said, still a long long way to go but he just isn't having the impact i was expecting from him, almost as though his game has dropped from this time last year. If the team was picked tomorrow O'Connor would be my 10.

Pat MacCabe has been sensational, Robbie Coleman has shown he has alot of potential, also liking what i'm seeing from Colby Faingaa.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeSat Apr 16, 2011 7:18 am

A 2nd jaw-break has likely ruled Colin Slade out of contention for a WC spot to back up Dan Carter.

Luke McAlister now looms as the most likely backup 10, his experience and ability to play 12 additional benefits for him. Other alternatives include Stephen Brett, Stephen Donald, Mike Delaney and Aaron Cruden. Personally I'd take McAlister in a heartbeat before any of them.

Donald has the most experience of that lot but is already known to crumple when the pressure's on and you don't get much more pressure than a home World Cup.

Stephen Brett has shown great form with the Blues but he's also known to implode quite spectacularly.

Delaney has shown a lot of class and wisdom in his playing, but his major lack in big-game experience may well hold him back (not to mention a lot of injuries)

Cruden's time as "Kid Potential" disintegrated in Sydney last year. Since then he's done little to elevate himself back up - injuries haven't helped but his confidence is hugely dented and he just doesn't have faith in his abilities to run a team, even one with a talent-laden backline like the Canes. It also hasn't helped that his major testing points (Sydney test and S15 with Canes) have consistently set him behind a back-pedalling set of forwards. The return of Weepu in a couple of weeks might make a big difference for him but it may well be too late by then.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Apr 26, 2011 10:09 am

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Cruden's time as "Kid Potential" disintegrated in Sydney last year. Since then he's done little to elevate himself back up - injuries haven't helped but his confidence is hugely dented and he just doesn't have faith in his abilities to run a team, even one with a talent-laden backline like the Canes. It also hasn't helped that his major testing points (Sydney test and S15 with Canes) have consistently set him behind a back-pedalling set of forwards. The return of Weepu in a couple of weeks might make a big difference for him but it may well be too late by then.

Yea its not looking promising for the young fella thats for sure. At least for the WC anyway.

Much like Toeava, the AB coaches obviously see plenty of talent in him, but may have erred in pushing him forward too soon.

It's taken Toeava nearly 7 years to finally show on the pitch what the AB coaches fist saw on the training paddock. Hopefully Cruden doesnt take quite so long but I hope he at least gets left alone for the next couple of seasons to find his feet again.

But anyone who can beat cancer will surely have the mental resilience to keep fighting for a footy career so I'd back him to get there.



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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Apr 26, 2011 10:54 am

Agree with you 100% 40/20 - he's got character and was just tossed in the deep end far too soon.

Another option has reared his aged head - Tony Brown...
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue Apr 26, 2011 12:24 pm

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Agree with you 100% 40/20 - he's got character and was just tossed in the deep end far too soon.

Another option has reared his aged head - Tony Brown...

Yep I saw an article on stuff.co.nz where he was being pushed forward. Hard to argue with really, given Slade's latest injury and the dearth of any other options.

But with all due respect to Brown, its a sad state of affairs when we're looking at a 36 year old who hasn't played test rugby in nearly 10 years as one of our WC first fives.

The fact Carter has been so good has almost been a double edged sword for us. Rivalries like Fox/Botica or Mehrtens/Spencer endured because the 2nd choice players were close enough to feel they had genuine shot at usurping the incumbent - even if they never quite did in th end.

But as freakishly good as Evans is, he was never going to get a regular gig because Carter is on another planet altogether. So understandably, Evans buggers off to England and NZ rugby loses a genuinely world-class first five.

I almost hope Carter leaves after the WC. But only because it'll force us to invest in the next tier of players like Slade, Cruden, Anscombe or Bleyendaal and actually allow them to develop as opposed to the current trial and error.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeWed Apr 27, 2011 11:45 am

Totally agree - and I think Dan will leave TBH.

I think Richie will stick around but will start to decrease his game time so a new openside will come out of the woodwork - Todd? Time will tell...

The way Aus are building, I think they are going to win back the Bledisloe Cup within the next 2 years...good time to get a couple of new 1st 5s with plenty of motivation...
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeWed Apr 27, 2011 11:54 am

Karl Lowe needs to come back from injury, I think they're will be a real battle for that 7 jersey.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeThu Apr 28, 2011 11:43 am

Lowe's got a LOOOOOOONG way to climb now - especially the Luke Braid performing for the Blues as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeThu Apr 28, 2011 11:33 pm

luke braids all right but mat todds the real deal
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeThu Apr 28, 2011 11:40 pm

dont see a problem with tonyBrown being a 1st5. basically we need a pivot that isnt going to screw up the basics under pressure
that elimanates, berquist, donald, brett

browns got good defence which eliminates, McAlistair

brown would be awesome. we dont need a 1st 5 as good as carter we need one that wont choke the backline. with all the talent around him he'll keep the flow of the running game moving
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeFri Apr 29, 2011 4:51 am

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luke braids all right but mat todds the real deal

Yep he looks the business doesnt he? Obviously lucky to have a good pack alongside him, but even so, he's doing a great job.

I'd love to see McCaw shift to 6 permanently next year for the Saders (assuming he stays) and Todd start at 7.

McCaw's good enough to swap back to 7 for the test season and it would allow Todd to really develop as an openside, all while playing alongside the master himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeFri Apr 29, 2011 10:15 am

Yeah. McCaw's strongly hinted he'll be playing on in NZ after 2011 but I think he'll start backing off from his current status and playing a mentor role more.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2011 2:10 am

Here's my 30man squad.

Props: Owen Franks, Ben Franks, Tony Woodcock, Jamie Macintosh. Hookers: Hika Elliot, Keven Mealamu, Andrew Hore. Locks: Brad Thorn, Sam Whitelock, Tom Donnelly, Anthony Boric. Loose Forwards: Richie McCaw, Adam Thompson, Kieran Read, Matt Todd, Jerome Kaino. Halfbacks: Alby Mathewson, Piri Weepu, Jimmy Cowan. First-Five: Dan Carter, Tony Brown. Midfield: Conrad Smith, Sonny-Bill Williams, Luke McAlister, Ma'a Nonu. Outside Backs: Israel Dagg, Corey Jane, Mils Muliana, Zac Guildford, Isaea Toeva/Hosea Gear.

I don't think there is much competition amongst the forwards for spots. Possibly Afoa instead of Macintosh, but Jamie has been in great for. Hookers pick themselves, no way I'd go back to Corey Flynn. Locks is a bit tough with Ali Williams and Chris Jack unlucky to miss out. I think based on this super season form Matt Todd and Adam Thompson deserve spots, and then just the usual 3. Halfbacks...well I just hate Andy Ellis and Alby is the man! First Five TONY BROWN I would love to see back but I can't see it happening. Centers: stuck with Nonu and Smith despite not being in the best form, SBW keeps his spot too. Toeva is also in as cover. Robbie Fruean unlucky to miss out. Outside Backs were tough to pick, Cory Jane gets picked based on previous form as he's been pretty bad this year. Expect to see the Dagg Guildford combination let loose against the minnow teams. Mils deserves the starting FB spot. Maitland and Ben Smith unlucky to miss out. depending on Toeava's injury, Gear will get in.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2011 8:41 am

Donnelly is going to have to have a big end to the season if he is going to make it, at this stage he is third in the pecking order down there and hasn't used his chances. Afoa is probably more likely to make it in because he specialises at tighthead and is just as good as Mackintosh around the field. They might go for Messam over Todd because of experience but would rather see Todd there. Tony Brown is well past it, would rather Slade Donald Cruden and Brett over him in that order. McAlistair might get that spot though, leaving room for Kahui in midfield. Ben Smith is the form fullback at the moment so would like to see him in before Jane and Dagg. Gear is better than Guilford, just on the end of a shit backline at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolters for World Cup   Bolters for World Cup Icon_minitimeTue May 17, 2011 11:18 pm

There's an article on stuff which I found interesting. It has who they think is in the running for a spot in the 30 and their percentage of what chance they'll have to make it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5013962/All-Blacks-Barometer-Whos-in-the-30

no mention of Guildford or Maitland

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