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PostSubject: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 6:42 am

After Luke Burt's performance last night at fullback, it has got me thinking who is the better fullback for the eels?
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 6:45 am

Burt plays good on both Wing and Fullback meanwhile Hayne at fullback is really the only place he can produce a spark or anything...

so Hayne is more of a specialist that Burt...Burts by far a better player
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 7:00 am

If I was Kearney i would do this

1. Burt
6. Hayne
7. Robson
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 8:06 am

Yuck

1. Hayne
2. Burt



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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 8:06 am

Hayne's salary is absolutely killing the Eels. He will always only be a player who is worth half of what he is worth.

Hayne is a good attacking player on his day but is found out alot in defence, his defensive reads half the time are lacklustre and doesn't position well off opposing attacking kicks and also can be a plain tackler.

I think he tries to do too much alot of the time, It's good to back yourself but only when you know it will improve the prediction of the team. I think the Eels needs stability in their spine and that is where Luke Burt comes in.

Jarryd is too much of an individualist and lacks that supporting type connection with his halves, certainly doesn't support and feed as good as Slater.

Whilst if i were Parra I'd offload him and go for a quality 6 to go with Sandow and really try and develop Tom Humble or Marmin Barba but they'd be up for a massive payout since Hayne only re-signed a year or two a go to the tune of 600k so he'd still have a couple of more seasons before his contract ends.

Once and for all Stephen Kearney learnt off Craig Bellamy as did Michael Maguire who will coach Souths next year. You can see the Bellamy effect with Melbourne; Slater's game revolves as a link man in set plays and being on the end of things with Cameron Smith's game revolves around cleaning up the rucks in defence and just having that smart footballing brain to expose the opposition in both attack and defense facets. Cronk is the general organiser and Widdop is more of a part-time kicker and support player.

I think Kearney needs to apply the Bellamy effect at Parra. Hayne is NOT a smart footballer and is not a fullback. He lacks positioning in defense and has made some lacklustre defensive reads in recent times, and he also lacks as a link man but that might have alot to do with the structure of what Parra have in attack though.

Luke Burt is no Billy Slater but is very consistent in defense and is one of those smart players who have no major high or lows but just has a very good footy brain.

I think Jarryd Hayne could be the Widdop of the Eels. If you let him play his own game then he is dangerous, Give Sandow the organisation and controlling of the play. Alternatively they have Roberts and Mortimer as well so if they give good pre-season form Hayne could play out in the Centres but he certainly doesn't suit the Eels at fullback.

They'd need to upgrade on McGuire at hooker eventually though and they need to sign some backs as well though.

1. Burt 6. Hayne 7. Sandow 9. McGuire
1. Inglis 6. Luke 7. Signing? 9. Peats
1. Slater 6. Widdop 7. Cronk 9. Smith

Bellamy commented that he thinks Inglis's best position is fullback and I think he has everything needed to be at the back, Speed, Defence, Safe under the high ball and good ball skills.

All 3 hookers there have shown they can rack up high tackle counts and both have some nippyness out of dummy half and all three have a good brain on them. I think Thomas Leuluai would be a good signing for Souths, He isn't a great player but he knows how to control a side and does the simple things good. Rangi chase would be a better acquisition in a few ways but he isn't the player to fill that role unless Matt Johns coaches him to that spot in the pre-season.

For the rest of the year I'd go Burt, Hayne, McGuire, Keating for Parra and Inglis, Luke, Sandow, Peats for Souths; Though Souths are getting better and it's arguable you don't change a winning team.

But there are similarities there for sure. Go with what works I say to Maguire and Kearney.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 10:45 am

We won't be moving one of the best dummy half running no 9s in the comp to play in a position that he himself has admitted to being uncomfortable in. I'd like to see him chime into 2nd receiver a bit more in attack rather then just passing from the play the ball but his best pos is in the 9. I heard that Moltzen has agreed to terms with us as well. If we get Leuluai they could be our 6/7, with Inglis/Roberts in the 1, and Luke in the 9 with Sutton playing more an impact player type role off the bench with Lowe/Crocker being the starting lock.

As for Hayne/Burt, I think the Eels need to think in the long term and Burt struggled to get a contract extension last time round and he'd probably find it even tougher next go around. With Sandow there next year Hayne won't have to be as involved in the play making roll as much and can play a more out the back link man kind of like Boyd which will take pressure off him to work on his short comings in positional play.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 02, 2011 3:46 pm

I like McGuire at 6 and Keating at 9. Best possible backline IMO is...

1. Hayne
2. Burt
3. Reddy
4. Loko
5. Atkins
6. McGuire
7. Robson
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 03, 2011 12:48 pm

Jarryd hayne hands down. This is coming from a heavy hayne criticiser
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2011 2:17 am

SUGEKNIGHT wrote:
Jarryd hayne hands down. This is coming from a heavy hayne criticiser

Hayne is NOT a fullback, Anyone who thinks he is, Is not a realist. Half the Parramatta fan base on another forum have come to the same conclusion.

His positional play returning kicks and defending against attacking kicks are diabolical at times also has trouble reading plays and isn't the best tackler.

Also fails to link with his halves most of the time. Certainly doesn't seem to have the ability to link with his halves like Slater does.

Fails to do the little things right. I'd take Wesser over him as a fullback in his 2011 form, at least he knows how to link with his halves and capitilise on opportunities and is good in defense.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2011 3:29 am

Without Hayne's performance in the Eels run to the 09 grand final, the Eels would not have been there. I don't think I have ever seen a more influential performance in a teams run for the finals nor a more consistant; basically every game in that run Hayne was all over it.
In saying that, he does get found out in defence more than he should (which could be interesting if he plays centre wednesday night) but what he can produce from nothing, and his presence, footwork and ability on the footy field is far an above what Burt's is (with all due respect to Burt, he is a great player with amazing consistancy)
I'd still take Hayne at fullback over Burt, having Hayne on the wing is such a waste, and having him at 5/8 means he'd probably be forced to play too rehearsed and not enough by his head of what's in front of him.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2011 5:52 am

keno wrote:
Without Hayne's performance in the Eels run to the 09 grand final, the Eels would not have been there. I don't think I have ever seen a more influential performance in a teams run for the finals nor a more consistant; basically every game in that run Hayne was all over it.
In saying that, he does get found out in defence more than he should (which could be interesting if he plays centre wednesday night) but what he can produce from nothing, and his presence, footwork and ability on the footy field is far an above what Burt's is (with all due respect to Burt, he is a great player with amazing consistancy)
I'd still take Hayne at fullback over Burt, having Hayne on the wing is such a waste, and having him at 5/8 means he'd probably be forced to play too rehearsed and not enough by his head of what's in front of him.

When Sandow comes to the club next year with McGuire at 9, I think Hayne will get the okay to roam free and play his own game anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2011 6:07 am

You see in my opinion the thing bout Hayne is he plays as a Five Eighth while Burt plays the traditonal role of a fullback and god does he do it well. But if I was an eels fan I would rather Hayne at fullback because as we saw in the start of 09 Daniel Anderson put Haynsey at five eighth and he really struggled
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeMon Jul 04, 2011 8:26 am

They do things so differently it is hard to compare.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 06, 2011 5:28 pm

After Jarryd's terrific Origin performance.. maybe the best option for Kearney is to leave Burt at fullback, Hayne to the centres so that Ben Smith can play his usual position at lock..?
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeWed Jul 06, 2011 5:31 pm

Hayne is not a centre. Won't play there at all this season.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 08, 2011 2:12 pm

how about burt at 5/8?

He has a great kicking game, one of the smartest players going around and his tackling game is technically brilliant. I could see him wearing the 6 jumper with ease. He would take some pressure off hayne and allow him to roam a bit more.

And if kearney wanted to get tricky he could make some substitution play where him and hayne swap depending the situation. Such as if hayne is coming up to put his mark on the game (as a 5/8 would) burt could easily swap to the support role.

Anyone else think that this could be possible? I dont think it will happen but i reckon he could do well
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 08, 2011 2:35 pm

1. Luke Burt 6. Jarryd Hayne 7. Casey McGuire is the winning forumla IMO. Unlucky for Robson.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 09, 2011 10:22 am

panthersftw wrote:
1. Luke Burt 6. Jarryd Hayne 7. Casey McGuire is the winning forumla IMO. Unlucky for Robson.

Who gives a F*** about Robson?, He's off to Cronulla!.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 09, 2011 1:32 pm

Thehattrickrabbit wrote:
panthersftw wrote:
1. Luke Burt 6. Jarryd Hayne 7. Casey McGuire is the winning forumla IMO. Unlucky for Robson.

Who gives a F*** about Robson?, He's off to Cronulla!.

The way they are going right now he won't even get a start for them.. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSat Jul 09, 2011 5:34 pm

The way Parramatta constructed their play on Friday night at the beautiful Parramatta Stadium suggests to me that Burt should play at fullback, Hayne at five-eighth, McGuire at halfback and Keating at hooker. Jeff Robson is a good bloke, hard trainer and works his butt off but the way the spine gelled on Friday night, I would expect Stephen Kearney to retain the spine. Jeff Robson is heading to the Sutherland Shire next year so preparing for the coming years is on the agenda. Chris Sandow is also going to be a handy addition to the side.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeSun Jul 10, 2011 6:21 am

I believe Jarryd Hayne is a genuine five eighth, with Luke Burt a handy fullback. For Parramatta, I would go for this team for the 2012 season, Peter, your thoughts?
1. Luke Burt
2. Jordan Atkins
3. Jacob Loko
4. Ben Smith
5. Chris Walker
6. Jarryd Hayne
7. Chris Sandow
8. Tim Mannah
9. Matt Keating
10.Fuifui Moimoi
11. Nathan Hindmarsh
12. Reni Maitua
13. Justin Horo

14. Shane Shackleton
15. Mitchell Allgood
16. Ben Roberts
17. Justin Poore

The halves prove a very interesting combination, with Sandow's ruggedness in defence, his solid kicking game, and Hayne's brilliance.
Parramatta have been constantly linked to Willie Tonga, which by my sources have been classed as a done deal. This would see Ben Smith pushed back into the backrow to allow for Tonga with Maitua on the Interchange Bench and perhaps Roberts missing out.
The moving of Burt to fullback fills a weakness which is the wing spot for Parramatta, which Tonga could easily fill, yet the Queenslander is too classy to be playing on the wing and must see the ball from the centres.

Joel Reddy's imminent departure to either the Tigers or Canterbury fills a void in the centre position.
Parramatta's signings of 'old heads' throughout the 2010 off season was deemed as bad moves, but I see it as quite a good strategy by the Parramatta management, with the young guns in Loko, Atkins, Morgan, who had pressures on their shoulders to perform this year being mentored, if you will, by the older heads in Hicks, Webb, Walker, etc.
Things in Parramatta do look promising.
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeThu Aug 11, 2011 9:17 am

Luke Burt plays rings around Jarryd Haynes as fullback. He is a polished player who is always in position and tackles players before the line, not like Haynes who tackles them after they score..
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne?   Luke Burt or Jarryd Hayne? Icon_minitimeFri Aug 12, 2011 11:16 pm

After Burts piss poor efforts in defence on monday they should be looking at a better option or just move Hayne back their as he hasn't really done much at 5/8..
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