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PostSubject: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeWed Jun 03, 2009 4:35 pm

Just read an article about Justin Marshall calling for an ANZAC team similar to the Lions team to go on a tour similar to the British Lions tour. I reckon this would be a superb idea and would attract alot of people. Just named a team off the top of my head, but have no doubt it would be an awesome team.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25579468-23217,00.html



1. Tony Woodcock
2. Stephen Moore
3. Al Baxter
4. Nathan Sharpe
5. Ali Williams
6. George Smith
7. Richie McCaw
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Luke Burgess
10. Daniel Carter
11. Joe Rokocoko
12. Matt Giteau
13. Stirling Mortlock
14. Drew Mitchell
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Neemia Tialata
17. Keven Mealamu
18. Brad Thorn
19. Rocky Elsom (Wycliff Palu/Richard Brown)
20. Piri Weepu
21. Ma'a Nonu
22. James O'Connor/Sitiveni Sivivatu/Adam Ashley-Cooper
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:40 am

That's a pretty awesome squad Smile

I've actually thought we should do this for ages, why should only the NH buggers do stuff like that?

I'd put Andrew Hore in at hooker instead of Moore, move Moore to the bench.

I don't rate Burgess in the slightest, Cowan to start, Weepu on bench.

I'm torn about having George Smith at 6 - I'd rather put Elsom at 6 and Smith at 8 (where he's played quite a lot before). Would then have a toss-up between Rodney and Richard Brown for the bench spot - Palu's crap IMO.

Tialata gets the bench prop spot for he versatility - barely though. NZ propping stocks are pretty grim right now, such that the likes of Benn Alexander is knocking on the door for that bench spot...

Ma'a on the bench is a really tough call, but you can't go past Gits and Mortlock as the midfield. I would be sorely tempted to put Nonu at 13 though.

Wings is a toughy - Roks would normally get it easy, but his form's been crap recently, Sivi should (on this year's form) get the 11 jersey, agree with Mitchell at 14. Mils at Fullback is a given.

James O'Connor is pretty much obsolete since Gits, Nonu and Mortlock can all cover 12 just fine, while Mils and Mitchell have fullback all covered, so you'd want a wing cover for the third bench spot - giving the loser of Roks and Sivivatu that spot. The likes of Tuqiri would normally have that wrapped up but he's been pretty bad this year too.

HMs in the backs to players like Conrad Smith, Richard Kahui, Berrick Barnes and Lachie Turner.

1. Woodcock
2. Hore
3. Baxter (I can't stand the guy, but you can't really fault his form of late)
4. Sharpe
5. Williams
6. Elsom
7. McCaw (c)
8. G. Smith
9. Cowan
10. Carter
11. Sivivatu
12. Giteau
13. Mortlock
14. Mitchell
15. Muliaina

16. Moore
17. Tialata
18. Thorn
19. So'oialo
20. Weepu
21. Nonu
22. Rokocoko
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 1:07 am

1. Tony Woodcock
2. Andrew Hore
3. Al Baxter
4. Brad Thorn
5. Ali Williams
6. George Smith
7. Richie McCaw
8. Rodney So'oialo
9. Piri Weepu
10. Daniel Carter
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. Matt Giteau
13. Conrad Smith
14. Jo Rocokoco
15. Mils Muliaina

16. Neemia Tialata
17. Kevin Mealamu
18. Brad Thorn
19. Rocky Elsom
20. Jimmy Cowan
21. Ma'a Nonu
22. James O'Connor
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 2:35 am

Whats the point? the only team that would give us any competition would be South Africa. We would kill all the Northern Hemisphere teams.

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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 5:05 am

Well said Hendo. They can rarely beat the all blacks when we go up there let alone getting a few Australians to strengthen the side. Ridiculous idea unless 1 sided rugby is your thing
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 5:38 am

Bit of fun - and something else for players to shoot for.

In reality though, to make it more competitive for spots we'd want to include PIs and Argentina into it too - including SA would just make the team ridiculously good! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 9:50 am

Pantherus wrote:
Bit of fun - and something else for players to shoot for.

In reality though, to make it more competitive for spots we'd want to include PIs and Argentina into it too - including SA would just make the team ridiculously good! Smile

Well why not?

If its being referred to as a response to the Lions concept, who obviously tour NZ, Aus and SA, shouldnt we then be looking at a SANZAR team?


1-Tony Woodcock
2-Bismarck du Plessis
3-John Smit (c)
4-Victor Matfield
5-Ali Williams
6-Rocky Elsom
7-Richie McCaw
8-Pierre Spies
9-Fourie du Preez
10-Dan Carter
11-Sitiveni Sivivatu
12-Matt Giteau
13-Stirling Mortlock
14-Bryan Habana
15-Mils Muliaina

16-Keven Mealamu
17-Tendai Mtawarira
18-Bakkies Botha
19-George Smith
20-Jimmy Cowan
21-Ma'a Nonu
22-Lote Tuqiri

Coach - Jake White

Smit and White to captain & coach respectively by virtue of being WC winners.

But how good would that loose forward trio of McCaw, Elsom and Spies be? And to think it leaves Smith on the bench and Burger out altogether.
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 11:00 am

Hore on the bench over Mealamu, Drew Mitchell instead of Tuqiri on bench.

Otherwise freaking awesome Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 11:54 am

Id have Smith over Elsom Razz
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:10 pm

Get Strirling Mortlock out of there! Jean de Villiers is miles better these days.

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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:21 pm

Yeah Mortlocks pretty av these days i reckon Conrad Smiths Better
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:22 pm

de Villiers is the best center in the world followed by B. O'D.

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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:23 pm

But de Villiers is second five?
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeThu Jun 04, 2009 12:25 pm

De Villiers can play 12 or 13 equally well - he's more at home at 12, but in this situation (with Gits holding the 12 jersey) he'd do just fine at 13.

Agree with you there Hendo - I was thinking about this after posting and didn't like that JDV wasn't included - I really rate the guy Smile

Oh - and leaving George Smith out of the XV is hard, but McCaw is a better 7, and Elsom is a better 6, and Spies is a better 8 - so he loses out unfortunately, but he's easily the best man on the bench.
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeFri Jun 05, 2009 3:00 am

Hendo Maroon wrote:
Get Strirling Mortlock out of there! Jean de Villiers is miles better these days.

Oh I fully agree. But dropping Mortlock would've meant only 2 Wallabies in the starting XV and you'd have to assume that any theoretical SANZAR selection meeting is bound to involve some compromise around nationality representation (as with the Lions).

But at the end of the day, SANZAR could put out two completely different 22 man squads and either one would give the Lions a touch up I reckon.

How's this for an alternate 22 man squad:

1-Guthro Steenkamp
2-Andrew Hore
3-Al Baxter
4-Nathan Sharpe
5-Brad Thorn
6-Schalk Burger
7-Juan Smith
8-Rodney So'oialo (c)
9-Piri Weepu
10-Morne Steyn
11-Drew Mitchell
12-Luke McAlister
13-Jean De Villiers
14-Joe Rockocoko
15-Adam Ashley Cooper

16-Tatafu Polota-Nau
17-Ben Robinson
18-Andries Bekker
19-Ryan Kankowski
20-Ruaan Pienaar
21-Berrick Barnes
22-Fran Steyn

Coach: Graham Henry

Even now, still no room for genuine quality like Kahui, Fourie, Olivier, Waugh etc. Its pretty impressive stuff when you put it down in writing like this.
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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeFri Jun 05, 2009 3:06 am

Yea thats also an awesome side, definitely would smash the lions. Haha and yea I suppose you have to have atleast a couple of Aussies in the side, even if they dont deserve to be there.

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PostSubject: Re: New ANZAC team   New ANZAC team Icon_minitimeFri Jun 05, 2009 3:45 am

Just goes to show what a wealth of talent is on hand down here...
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