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PostSubject: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2009 12:13 pm

With the Tri-Nations over and the NPC moving into the closing weeks, (and because I'm bored Very Happy) - it's time to start forward-thinking and consider who will be in your S14 team for next year. Consider draft options if you really think they'll get/take them but mostly go for local talent.

So for my Canes I'd pick:

1. J. Ellison
2. Hore
3. Tialata
4. Eaton
5. Evans
6. Vito
7. Waldrom
8. So'oialo
9. Weepu
10. Cruden
11. Gear
12. Nonu
13. C. Smith
14. Jane
15. T. Ellison

16. Coles
17. Schwalger
18. Thrush
19. Lowe
20. Mathewson
21. Fruean
22. D. Smith

Couple of key calls there:
- Ellison in favour of Schwalger - I've never liked Schwalger and, despite his embarrassing display in the RS game I think he's a better talent.
- Cruden at 10 - pretty hard call on Ripia and Kirkpatrick, but the fact is that this boy needs lots and lots of game time and, if the Canes can't offer regular time, then he'll go elsewhere.
- Jane on the wing, Ellison at Fullback - if Jane's got to be a wing to be in the ABs, then he should be there all the time. Plus Ellison makes a great fullback too and I'd prefer him on the field in favour of David Smith who, from the bench, can still keep Jane and Gear honest.
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2009 12:14 pm

Not a bad team .

But big loses losing Guliford and Dagg
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2009 12:37 pm

Dagg was never going to be in the Canes, and to be fair, Guildford isn't that big a loss.
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2009 12:37 pm

Pantherus wrote:
Dagg was never going to be in the Canes, and to be fair, Guildford isn't that big a loss.

For Future they are
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Sep 21, 2009 11:28 pm

I like your side P'Rus.

Rozz, Dagg was a Highlander so we cant claim to have lost anything there!

Guilford definitely is a talented young player but he couldn't cement a starting spot with the Canes. Now that Jane has established himself as a quality winger there really is no place for Guilford, and with D. Smith on the bench we have very decent wing cover.

Love the look of that backline, Cruden is the man who will get the Hurricanes to the final, finally looks like a decent fly half is coming our way.

If that side doesn't win the super 14 next year or the year after I will be very disappointed.

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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 12:13 am

I dont see why the best fullback in the country should have to play on the wing just because his last name isn't Muliaina
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 12:21 am

hahaha!!!!

How can you say Jane is the best fullback in the country, Mils was the best FB in Super 14, and since the Super 14 Jane has been playing on the wing for the ABs. How do you know Jane is the better fullback when he wasn't tested there throughout the Tri-Nations.

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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 12:24 am

Because he showed he is the best under the high ball and actually runs hard, unlike Mils. He is only keeping his spot on reputation, much like Rodney
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 12:31 am

haha turn it up Chrissy B.

Sure Mils didn't have his best Tri-Nations, but even Mils not at his best, is the better FB in this country. He was on fire all Super 14, and was one of the main reasons the Chiefs were so good.

Players like Rodney and Mils should keep thier spots based on reputation, as we know when they're at their best they are awesome. If you go chopping and changing things all the time, those players we know that are capable of great things will only lose confidents.

On his day, Mils is the best Fullback in the world. I definitely would not be cutting him after a few average games, especially considering Jane showed us just how good he can be on the wing.

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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 12:57 am

I dont think Mils is that great on his day. He is just solid, no way near as much flair as Jane. They should at least give Jane a chance in his preferred position as he is likely to be even better there. Rodney has hit the wall and is unlikely to get back to his best, which was hardly that great anyway
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 1:20 am

Yes, Mils is the "safe" option - but that's exactly what you want in a fullback. There are certain positions where reliability if preferred to 'flair' - Hooker, Lock, 8, 1st 5, Centre and Fullback come to mind particularly. That's one of the reasons (bias aside) that Cullen was cut all those years ago, it was felt that he wasn't "safe" enough, particularly from a kicking perspective for a fullback - while the likes of Ben Blair and MacDonald were considered safer. Course it's not always the right option, but IMO Jane has always been a better wing - For the entirety of the LAST super 14 (i.e. 2008) I was saying that Shannon Paku should've been at fullback with Jane partnering Gear on the wing. He made his name on the wing by totally wrong-fotting Rokocoko in the NPC semi-final before they were beaten by Waikato.
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Sep 22, 2009 2:51 am

Why can't he wrong foot Joe running it back from fullback. He would be much more dangerous on the counterattack than Mils who at the moment is about as capable of beating a defender as Joe
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeSat Sep 26, 2009 7:37 am

BLUES

1. Woodcock
2. Mealamu
3. Afoa
4. Boric
5. A. Williams
6. Kaino
7. Blackie
8. Lowrey
9. Smylie
10. McAlister
11. Rokocoko
12. Stanley
13. Toeava
14. Tuitavake
15. Wulf

16. Mailau
17. McCartney
18. Haiu
19. Chamberlain
20. Moa
21. Bowden
22. P. Williams / Ranger
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Oct 12, 2009 10:42 am

Chris mils is the solid option and you say jane has more flair and you want him in the team?? conrad smith has zero flair and offers nothing in attack compared to toeava, kahui and tuitavake especially kahui, he is faster, stronger, better at kicking, more dynamic in attack and defense, can create for his outsides and is more versatile, problem is he is better at getting himself injured as well. i agree with you about rodney i have never believed the hype just look what sione did to him in the semi last year
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Oct 12, 2009 10:44 am

Conrad Smith is far more reliable then any of the players you mentioned, that is one of the main factors I would have him in any XV...he also is a very decent attacking player, that runs some great lines and feeds his winger well.

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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Oct 12, 2009 12:01 pm

i know what you mean hendo but my comment was mainly directed towards chrishbhs who wants a flair player in jane but doesnt want toeava who is nothing but flair..... go figure
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeMon Oct 12, 2009 12:05 pm

chrishbhs wrote:
Why can't he wrong foot Joe running it back from fullback. He would be much more dangerous on the counterattack than Mils who at the moment is about as capable of beating a defender as Joe

There's more to FB play than just counterattcking. Mils is in the team for stuff thats not always noticed on TV. He's the smartest 15 we have and plays a huge part in directing the team especially in defence. He's also got the best kicking game from the back too.

Dont forget that the try Jane scored against the Wallabies this year, the one thats earning him all his plaudits, was off a Mils kick. Which he put up off the back of a rubbish pass from Hore that missed Carter completely and hit the deck.

It takes a very good player to first pick up a poor pass, look up and see the opposing fullback is isolated and then drop a kick on his head just outside the 22.

Jane was good enough to reel it in, but it was Mils who was smart enough to put it up in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: 2010 S14 Squads   2010 S14 Squads Icon_minitimeTue Oct 13, 2009 8:22 am

Great team pantherus!
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